Discuss the Fusion Cannon's candidacy as the GOAT weapon
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Discuss the Fusion Cannon's candidacy as the GOAT weapon
What other weapon in the Descent Franchise could possibly compete for Greatest Of All Time status?
The Fusion Cannon has been a Descent Mainstay throughout the entire franchise, and is beloved by Lobbers, Ratters, Dogfighters, and Elites all the same.
No other weapon can sniff the Greatness of the Fusion Cannon. It even has its own level - The Whoopass Cannery. Is there a Plasma Cannery? No! Plasma = SHAMED.
Of all the primaries and secondaries in the history of Descent, the Fusion Cannon is the only one that brings a tear of joy to my eye as I pick it up. Let's all pay our respects to the Purple Moth-Maker.
The Fusion Cannon has been a Descent Mainstay throughout the entire franchise, and is beloved by Lobbers, Ratters, Dogfighters, and Elites all the same.
No other weapon can sniff the Greatness of the Fusion Cannon. It even has its own level - The Whoopass Cannery. Is there a Plasma Cannery? No! Plasma = SHAMED.
Of all the primaries and secondaries in the history of Descent, the Fusion Cannon is the only one that brings a tear of joy to my eye as I pick it up. Let's all pay our respects to the Purple Moth-Maker.
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Re: Discuss the Fusion Cannon's candidacy as the GOAT weapon
Too bad it got perverted in the tank..Darktalyn1 wrote:The Fusion Cannon has been a Descent Mainstay throughout the entire franchise, and is beloved by Lobbers, Ratters, Dogfighters, and Elites all the same.
Completely depends on the player you're playing against.
Fusion is lethal but only a few players out there are truly effective with it (kiln, Bird), otherwise it's useless.
Plasma is the same thing ...guys like otaY, katO, Chipmunk, and Rainbird were absolutely devastating with it but I found it easy to avoid when most players use it incorrectly and make steady sine-waves with it.
Spreadfire, smart missles, and even concussions were lethal when used by a good rat like DrDon
Anyone who played Scoundrl or Dtile has nightmares about Quad lasers.
And the one I really hated was the gauss cannon. Being an ex-PPG member, I faced off against Karash and the other PPG members who all seemed like gauss-gods.
Overall I think the D1 spreadfire was the most lethal though, as it could be used with any style of play whether it's a rat or a dogfight. I definitely would vote NO on the Fusion tho as it's just too useless for most players.
Fusion is lethal but only a few players out there are truly effective with it (kiln, Bird), otherwise it's useless.
Plasma is the same thing ...guys like otaY, katO, Chipmunk, and Rainbird were absolutely devastating with it but I found it easy to avoid when most players use it incorrectly and make steady sine-waves with it.
Spreadfire, smart missles, and even concussions were lethal when used by a good rat like DrDon
Anyone who played Scoundrl or Dtile has nightmares about Quad lasers.
And the one I really hated was the gauss cannon. Being an ex-PPG member, I faced off against Karash and the other PPG members who all seemed like gauss-gods.
Overall I think the D1 spreadfire was the most lethal though, as it could be used with any style of play whether it's a rat or a dogfight. I definitely would vote NO on the Fusion tho as it's just too useless for most players.
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then someone isn't feeding you right.Darktalyn1 wrote:I don't eat my peas, I smack em outta the way with Purple Jello!
DT, plasma did have it's own level it's called GREENland.
i agree though, there aren't many talented enough players left in d1 to enjoy some good versatile weapon matches, i've had some very nice games with several IDL latecomers and found them to be very fun to play with but as far as i've seen i have only found one player in d1 that i could honestly say outplayed me in dogfights the majority of the time i played with him and that was DJCJR.
Every other UT i played just tried different variations of the boring hide and seek game. with the exception of warlord.
EDIT: forgot to add that everyone above me isn't worthy of calling you out on the whole d1 weapons are better deal, you guys need to actually play before you talk crap
i agree though, there aren't many talented enough players left in d1 to enjoy some good versatile weapon matches, i've had some very nice games with several IDL latecomers and found them to be very fun to play with but as far as i've seen i have only found one player in d1 that i could honestly say outplayed me in dogfights the majority of the time i played with him and that was DJCJR.
Every other UT i played just tried different variations of the boring hide and seek game. with the exception of warlord.
EDIT: forgot to add that everyone above me isn't worthy of calling you out on the whole d1 weapons are better deal, you guys need to actually play before you talk crap
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Spreadfire will always have a special place in my heart, but facts are facts. Fusion has played a starring role in all three Descent titles, and only gotten better with age (Trifusion baby! Don't cry when it cracks your ship).
Meanwhile, the Spreadfire didn't even make it into Descent 3. A weapon can't have GOAT status for the series if it only appeared in two thirds of the game.
Quad supers are pretty cool, but they simply involve holding down the trigger and aiming. Fusion requires timing the charge, and aiming. Victor : Fusion. Also, lasers keep changing colors, while Fusion's color has regal consistency. RESPECT the Fusion!
Fusion : Simply the Best!
Meanwhile, the Spreadfire didn't even make it into Descent 3. A weapon can't have GOAT status for the series if it only appeared in two thirds of the game.
Quad supers are pretty cool, but they simply involve holding down the trigger and aiming. Fusion requires timing the charge, and aiming. Victor : Fusion. Also, lasers keep changing colors, while Fusion's color has regal consistency. RESPECT the Fusion!
Fusion : Simply the Best!
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You fail to see that nothing is the best.Darktalyn1 wrote:Fusion : Simply the Best!
The ONLY thing that is best is what you're comfortable with.
The base of your argument is rooted only on nostalgia
With that being said, vauss is the best.
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In regards to my comments, I do not include D3 as one of the \"Descent's\" as it's too fundamentally different, imo. My argument is based solely on D1/D2 and regardless, I stand by my conclusion that fusion fails in your GOAT status as it is simply not an \"all-around\" weapon. Very very very few ratters could use the fusion effectively and even most dogfighters, when given a choice, will switch to quads or plasma, especially against better players that don't readily moth.
I vote spreadfire. Lethal in any situation and can be used for any tactic and by any skill level.
I vote spreadfire. Lethal in any situation and can be used for any tactic and by any skill level.
spread shouldn't be considered any more well rounded if you take into consideration the fact that the shots fill up a room if its large enough.
the weapon balance in d1 is appreciable in the fact that most of the primaries are different, quad 4's are slower than plasma, vulcan is a great long range weapon, spread is a great weapon to switch up with when someone is getting too comfortable with dodging predictable shots and fusion is just overall fun with the timing and the charge effect.
if you can't use all the weapons at your disposal in different situations with a positive outcome then you lack the skill to call yourself a veteran, as it is none of the weapons are really any better than the other.
the weapon balance in d1 is appreciable in the fact that most of the primaries are different, quad 4's are slower than plasma, vulcan is a great long range weapon, spread is a great weapon to switch up with when someone is getting too comfortable with dodging predictable shots and fusion is just overall fun with the timing and the charge effect.
if you can't use all the weapons at your disposal in different situations with a positive outcome then you lack the skill to call yourself a veteran, as it is none of the weapons are really any better than the other.
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My interpretation of this is that by "greatest of all time" you aren't actually referring to effectiveness but, well, sex appeal.Darktalyn1 wrote:Quad supers are pretty cool, but they simply involve holding down the trigger and aiming. Fusion requires timing the charge, and aiming. Victor : Fusion. Also, lasers keep changing colors, while Fusion's color has regal consistency. RESPECT the Fusion!
Fusion : Simply the Best!
Then OK. The fusion probably wins that for me too. It is an interesting weapon - just not really a good one until D3.
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I didn't say most powerful weapon, or most well-rounded weapon, I said Greatest weapon of the franchise. There are many different factors that would make a weapon become iconic of the franchise...
1. Consistency. A weapon can't be the greatest Descent weapon unless it has appeared in all 3. Sorry to those of you that want to discount D3 cause you couldn't make the transition, but Descent 3 definitely counts as a Descent title.
2. Skill requirement. I would say one of the contenders concerning Greatness in Descent Lore is the Mega Missile. But, it falls short for the simple fact that the skill requirement just isn't there. Fusion requires leading the target (unlike vauss), charging (unlike lasers), and aiming (unlike any homing-style secondary).
3. Aesthetics. The purple glob of fusion is an iconic visual to the Descent Franchise. When you think of Descent, one of the first things you think of is Fusion.
Everything I posted above is FACT and should be treated as such
1. Consistency. A weapon can't be the greatest Descent weapon unless it has appeared in all 3. Sorry to those of you that want to discount D3 cause you couldn't make the transition, but Descent 3 definitely counts as a Descent title.
2. Skill requirement. I would say one of the contenders concerning Greatness in Descent Lore is the Mega Missile. But, it falls short for the simple fact that the skill requirement just isn't there. Fusion requires leading the target (unlike vauss), charging (unlike lasers), and aiming (unlike any homing-style secondary).
3. Aesthetics. The purple glob of fusion is an iconic visual to the Descent Franchise. When you think of Descent, one of the first things you think of is Fusion.
Everything I posted above is FACT and should be treated as such
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I think I know why people love the fusion so much...
you have little man syndrome
you have little man syndrome
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S13driftAZ wrote:I think I know why people love the fusion so much...
you have little man syndrome
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The fusion-bug still exists in D3 v1.4. It's only fixed on dedicated servers running AC.Duper wrote:(not to mention the bug associated with it which I KNOW is fixed in the newer off shoots)
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Bollocks. It could have appeared in one if it was good enough.Darktalyn1 wrote:1. Consistency. A weapon can't be the greatest Descent weapon unless it has appeared in all 3.
So to be good, it has to be hard to use? That's a ridiculous thing to say.2. Skill requirement. I would say one of the contenders concerning Greatness in Descent Lore is the Mega Missile. But, it falls short for the simple fact that the skill requirement just isn't there. Fusion requires leading the target (unlike vauss), charging (unlike lasers), and aiming (unlike any homing-style secondary).
It has aesthetics, but...3. Aesthetics. The purple glob of fusion is an iconic visual to the Descent Franchise.
No.When you think of Descent, one of the first things you think of is Fusion.
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I think DT's point is, if a weapon is too easy to use, you dont learn anything.DarkHorse wrote:So to be good, it has to be hard to use? That's a ridiculous thing to say.
In fusion you must consider charging, leading and aiming, which means the cultivation of your brain synapses is great.
Smart Missile.
I nominate the Smart Missile because it is also a one shot killing machine if it's handled right. If it isn't, then it just creates a bunch of pretty lights. Plus, with the smart plasma homing in on you, that creates the quintessential homing noise that is the essence of Descent. And smart missiles are in all three descent games.
I nominate the Smart Missile because it is also a one shot killing machine if it's handled right. If it isn't, then it just creates a bunch of pretty lights. Plus, with the smart plasma homing in on you, that creates the quintessential homing noise that is the essence of Descent. And smart missiles are in all three descent games.
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allow me to disagree with you.Lobber wrote:Smart Missile.
I nominate the Smart Missile because it is also a one shot killing machine if it's handled right. If it isn't, then it just creates a bunch of pretty lights. Plus, with the smart plasma homing in on you, that creates the quintessential homing noise that is the essence of Descent. And smart missiles are in all three descent games.
To shoot a smart misslie, you only need the skill to push a button. No new synapses is connecting in your brain. And the society is heading in a direction of whats seen in the movie WallE. Hehe
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Which is different from fusion how? This is not about shooting, it's about hitting.LEON wrote:To shoot a smart misslie, you only need the skill to push a button.
To kill someone with a smart missile, you need to know exactly where to place it, because good players will dodge it otherwise. Much like D3 fusion really.
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Thank you. Lobber gets it. Smart Missile is definitely in the discussion for GOAT. And that's saying a lot cause it's a Secondary. It's one of those quintessential weapons that makes Descent what it is, and so unique.Smart Missile.
I nominate the Smart Missile because it is also a one shot killing machine if it's handled right. If it isn't, then it just creates a bunch of pretty lights. Plus, with the smart plasma homing in on you, that creates the quintessential homing noise that is the essence of Descent. And smart missiles are in all three descent games.
To those of you dissing the Fusion Cannon and what it has brought to Descent, give your head a shake!
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Your right. To shoot is the same for both (wrong choice of word). But I still consider fusion a bit harder to master.DarkHorse wrote:Which is different from fusion how? This is not about shooting, it's about hitting.LEON wrote:To shoot a smart misslie, you only need the skill to push a button.
To kill someone with a smart missile, you need to know exactly where to place it, because good players will dodge it otherwise. Much like D3 fusion really.
Your right about placing a good smart is skill, but a smart is still pretty much a fire and forget weapon. Only fire and forget aspect with fusion is to lobb it down a hallway and hope someone runns into it. But to shoot blindly is a aspect with alot of weapons, even the smart.
I must admit, it goes a bit deeper than I first thought.
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